New Game Name!! :D

[Wyges]

Finally the official name is revealed. ^^It is interesting and catchy, I am really interested in what does this name mean and how it ties with whole story. But I have a few thoughts on this. :>
But, to be honest, I liked the initial name a lot too, it was really fitting. In my opinion, name 'Mentaru Shoujo' was... Taboo-breaking, made people think about this society-wide problem when people tend to make fun out of mentally ill and/or crippled people and not to accept them in society. 'Katawa Shoujo' successfully managed to appeal to people's hearts. We can see from all the negative comments how our society is not open-minded and how people tend to shut their eyes when they face these topics and they throws lots of crap at people who are open-minded and have problem with mentally ill/cripples.
Whatever, you will achieve this with your ideas and whole plot. I fully understand that you want to differentiate yourselves from 'Katawa Shoujo' and you have my support for your new name. Do your best, developers, and do not let all this negativity on the Internet to discourage you.

[Solipsistic-MeatBag]

Finally the official name is revealed. ^^It is interesting and catchy, I am really interested in what does this name mean and how it ties with whole story. But I have a few thoughts on this. :>
But, to be honest, I liked the initial name a lot too, it was really fitting. In my opinion, name 'Mentaru Shoujo' was... Taboo-breaking, made people think about this society-wide problem when people tend to make fun out of mentally ill and/or crippled people and not to accept them in society. 'Katawa Shoujo' successfully managed to appeal to people's hearts. We can see from all the negative comments how our society is not open-minded and how people tend to shut their eyes when they face these topics and they throws lots of crap at people who are open-minded and have problem with mentally ill/cripples.
Whatever, you will achieve this with your ideas and whole plot. I fully understand that you want to differentiate yourselves from 'Katawa Shoujo' and you have my support for your new name. Do your best, developers, and do not let all this negativity on the Internet to discourage you.

I'm surprised by how negative the Japanese response to KS was. I expected them to be clever enough to tell that the shock-factor of the title was meant as an allegorical argument against the stigmatization of the physically impaired (or, that's what it appeared to be in my opinion). It'd probably be the same way here if it weren't for the name-change (though, the new name seems a tad random for my taste). So, what exactly is the meaning of this name (besides of course the rather ill-humored acronym)?

[Genero6]

I'm surprised by how negative the Japanese response to KS was. I expected them to be clever enough to tell that the shock-factor of the title was meant as an allegorical argument against the stigmatization of the physically impaired (or, that's what it appeared to be in my opinion).

They didn't mean anything with the title, and simply weren't so aware of how it sounded to the Japanese. The name "Katawa Shoujo" came from Raita's original page, and they kept it for the real game. By the time they were aware of the problem, it was too established to easily change, and they didn't really have anything better anyway. It might have been able to pass as intentional shock-factor in the west, but things aren't always the same in other languages, and Katawa was going a bit too far.

[khaos4ng31]

My guess on the title (from no other information other than the game revolves around mental disorders) was that stars is related to the stars one sees when one is knocked out. Those stars then relate to something like brain cells, and when they are "missing", one acts abnormal.

Just my 2 cents.

Glad to see that the name's no longer a ripoff of KS.

[Solipsistic-MeatBag]

I'm surprised by how negative the Japanese response to KS was. I expected them to be clever enough to tell that the shock-factor of the title was meant as an allegorical argument against the stigmatization of the physically impaired (or, that's what it appeared to be in my opinion).

They didn't mean anything with the title, and simply weren't so aware of how it sounded to the Japanese. The name "Katawa Shoujo" came from Raita's original page, and they kept it for the real game. By the time they were aware of the problem, it was too established to easily change, and they didn't really have anything better anyway. It might have been able to pass as intentional shock-factor in the west, but things aren't always the same in other languages, and Katawa was going a bit too far.

Perhaps social-commentary was Raita's intent then? Whatever the original message was (perhaps there wasn't one), it's all speculation anyways. It could only pass as shock factor in the west among a very small group (bilingual denizens of the web, to be specific), so that would have defeated the purpose. Raita was here before any of us, so if it was social-commentary, it was his doing. We don't really have a means of figuring out which is reality, so it might as well simultaneously be both. Kind of like Schrödinger's Cat in that sense.

My guess on the title (from no other information other than the game revolves around mental disorders) was that stars is related to the stars one sees when one is knocked out. Those stars then relate to something like brain cells, and when they are "missing", one acts abnormal.

Just my 2 cents.

Glad to see that the name's no longer a ripoff of KS.

Brain-cells are a rather poor example in this case, I doubt the cast of this VN will be made up of the borderline-retarded. However, as the fact that I treated it as an example should illustrate, I see that wasn't the message of your comment. I see the point you were attempting to make, and agree with the opinion expressed.

[bradpara]

I think the name "Mentaru Shoujo" needed to go in the long run. For this to be successful, it needs to distance itself from KS and beacome its own thing.

[EvilDragon]

I very much like the new name. Great choice!

[Exbo]

Very catchy!
It fits so well.

[Wyges]

Finally the official name is revealed. ^^It is interesting and catchy, I am really interested in what does this name mean and how it ties with whole story. But I have a few thoughts on this. :>
But, to be honest, I liked the initial name a lot too, it was really fitting. In my opinion, name 'Mentaru Shoujo' was... Taboo-breaking, made people think about this society-wide problem when people tend to make fun out of mentally ill and/or crippled people and not to accept them in society. 'Katawa Shoujo' successfully managed to appeal to people's hearts. We can see from all the negative comments how our society is not open-minded and how people tend to shut their eyes when they face these topics and they throws lots of crap at people who are open-minded and have problem with mentally ill/cripples.
Whatever, you will achieve this with your ideas and whole plot. I fully understand that you want to differentiate yourselves from 'Katawa Shoujo' and you have my support for your new name. Do your best, developers, and do not let all this negativity on the Internet to discourage you.

I'm surprised by how negative the Japanese response to KS was. I expected them to be clever enough to tell that the shock-factor of the title was meant as an allegorical argument against the stigmatization of the physically impaired (or, that's what it appeared to be in my opinion). It'd probably be the same way here if it weren't for the name-change (though, the new name seems a tad random for my taste). So, what exactly is the meaning of this name (besides of course the rather ill-humored acronym)?

I'm not too surprised, because I'm used to it. Where I live people, who are even a tiny bit different, (mentally ill/physically impaired) are left out of society. Especially kids are very harsh for them, they don't let the chance slip away to make fun out of others.

***

The name for me too seems a bit random now, but, as the developers said, it should tie with whole story, so we will have to wait to find out the meaning behind this name. I hope that we will not have to wait 5 years.

[Solipsistic-MeatBag]

Finally the official name is revealed. ^^It is interesting and catchy, I am really interested in what does this name mean and how it ties with whole story. But I have a few thoughts on this. :>
But, to be honest, I liked the initial name a lot too, it was really fitting. In my opinion, name 'Mentaru Shoujo' was... Taboo-breaking, made people think about this society-wide problem when people tend to make fun out of mentally ill and/or crippled people and not to accept them in society. 'Katawa Shoujo' successfully managed to appeal to people's hearts. We can see from all the negative comments how our society is not open-minded and how people tend to shut their eyes when they face these topics and they throws lots of crap at people who are open-minded and have problem with mentally ill/cripples.
Whatever, you will achieve this with your ideas and whole plot. I fully understand that you want to differentiate yourselves from 'Katawa Shoujo' and you have my support for your new name. Do your best, developers, and do not let all this negativity on the Internet to discourage you.

I'm surprised by how negative the Japanese response to KS was. I expected them to be clever enough to tell that the shock-factor of the title was meant as an allegorical argument against the stigmatization of the physically impaired (or, that's what it appeared to be in my opinion). It'd probably be the same way here if it weren't for the name-change (though, the new name seems a tad random for my taste). So, what exactly is the meaning of this name (besides of course the rather ill-humored acronym)?

I'm not too surprised, because I'm used to it. Where I live people, who are even a tiny bit different, (mentally ill/physically impaired) are left out of society. Especially kids are very harsh for them, they don't let the chance slip away to make fun out of others.

***

The name for me too seems a bit random now, but, as the developers said, it should tie with whole story, so we will have to wait to find out the meaning behind this name. I hope that we will not have to wait 5 years.

Gotta love how humanity has evolved. At one point, it was necessary to maintain a sense of tribalistic conformity (AKA: systematically alienating of all those who look/act even SLIGHTLY outside of the status-quo) in order to survive, these days, that has passed. Seriously, we should have cut that shit out back in the Neolithic period. As George Carlin put it; we're still operating out of the lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. We like to think we've evolved and advanced because we can build a computer, fly an airplane, travel underwater, we can write a sonnet, paint a painting, compose an opera. But you know something? We're barely out of the jungle on this planet. Barely out of the fucking jungle. What we are, is semi-civilized beasts, with baseball caps and automatic weapons. Wise man. Also, I agree on the randomness of the title. Sorry for preaching.

[Waytfm]

Gotta love how humanity has evolved. At one point, it was necessary to maintain a sense of tribalistic conformity (AKA: systematically alienating of all those who look/act even SLIGHTLY outside of the status-quo) in order to survive, these days, that has passed. Seriously, we should have cut that shit out back in the Neolithic period. As George Carlin put it; we're still operating out of the lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. We like to think we've evolved and advanced because we can build a computer, fly an airplane, travel underwater, we can write a sonnet, paint a painting, compose an opera. But you know something? We're barely out of the jungle on this planet. Barely out of the fucking jungle. What we are, is semi-civilized beasts, with baseball caps and automatic weapons. Wise man. Also, I agree on the randomness of the title. Sorry for preaching.

That's probably one of the best ways I've ever heard that phrased. I like to think that, when it comes to individuals, there's some measure of civility; but as for humanity on the whole, we certainly are "barely out of the jungle."

[Solipsistic-MeatBag]

Gotta love how humanity has evolved. At one point, it was necessary to maintain a sense of tribalistic conformity (AKA: systematically alienating of all those who look/act even SLIGHTLY outside of the status-quo) in order to survive, these days, that has passed. Seriously, we should have cut that shit out back in the Neolithic period. As George Carlin put it; we're still operating out of the lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. We like to think we've evolved and advanced because we can build a computer, fly an airplane, travel underwater, we can write a sonnet, paint a painting, compose an opera. But you know something? We're barely out of the jungle on this planet. Barely out of the fucking jungle. What we are, is semi-civilized beasts, with baseball caps and automatic weapons. Wise man. Also, I agree on the randomness of the title. Sorry for preaching.

That's probably one of the best ways I've ever heard that phrased. I like to think that, when it comes to individuals, there's some measure of civility; but as for humanity on the whole, we certainly are "barely out of the jungle."

Indeed, the brutality of the group seems to have a nullifying factor on any feigned pleasantries.

[TheLastMelody]

Wait, how did a topic about a "name change" change into a philosophical one??

[Waytfm]

Wait, how did a topic about a "name change" change into a philosophical one??

QUIET YOU!!! You know who else tried to crush philosophical debate? Hitler!

Aaaaaaand, Godwin'd

[EvilDragon]

Wait, how did a topic about a "name change" change into a philosophical one??

That's what George Carlin's quotes tend to do. The man was a genius. RIP.

[Exbo]

Well, at least we won't get much hate out of the name...
But who knows, people might take "Missing Stars" in a bad way. People are sensitive nowadays.

[MDV]

Well, at least we won't get much hate out of the name...
But who knows, people might take "Missing Stars" in a bad way. People are sensitive nowadays.

How could someone possibly take "Missing Stars" in a bad way. Sure, overreact to many things nowadays, but missing stars? Having problems with that would be a whole new level of being chronically offended .

[Wyges]

[quote="Waytfm"][quote="Solipsistic-MeatBag"][quote="Solipsistic-MeatBag"][quote="God Wyges"][quote="Solipsistic-MeatBag"][quote="God Wyges"] Finally the official name is revealed. ^^It is interesting and catchy, I am really interested in what does this name mean and how it ties with whole story. But I have a few thoughts on this. :>
But, to be honest, I liked the initial name a lot too, it was really fitting. In my opinion, name 'Mentaru Shoujo' was... Taboo-breaking, made people think about this society-wide problem when people tend to make fun out of mentally ill and/or crippled people and not to accept them in society. 'Katawa Shoujo' successfully managed to appeal to people's hearts. We can see from all the negative comments how our society is not open-minded and how people tend to shut their eyes when they face these topics and they throws lots of crap at people who are open-minded and have problem with mentally ill/cripples.
Whatever, you will achieve this with your ideas and whole plot. I fully understand that you want to differentiate yourselves from 'Katawa Shoujo' and you have my support for your new name. Do your best, developers, and do not let all this negativity on the Internet to discourage you.

I'm surprised by how negative the Japanese response to KS was. I expected them to be clever enough to tell that the shock-factor of the title was meant as an allegorical argument against the stigmatization of the physically impaired (or, that's what it appeared to be in my opinion). It'd probably be the same way here if it weren't for the name-change (though, the new name seems a tad random for my taste). So, what exactly is the meaning of this name (besides of course the rather ill-humored acronym)?[/quote]
I'm not too surprised, because I'm used to it. Where I live people, who are even a tiny bit different, (mentally ill/physically impaired) are left out of society. Especially kids are very harsh for them, they don't let the chance slip away to make fun out of others.

***

The name for me too seems a bit random now, but, as the developers said, it should tie with whole story, so we will have to wait to find out the meaning behind this name. I hope that we will not have to wait 5 years. [/quote] Gotta love how humanity has evolved. At one point, it was necessary to maintain a sense of tribalistic conformity (AKA: systematically alienating of all those who look/act even SLIGHTLY outside of the status-quo) in order to survive, these days, that has passed. Seriously, we should have cut that shit out back in the Neolithic period. As George Carlin put it; we're still operating out of the lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. We like to think we've evolved and advanced because we can build a computer, fly an airplane, travel underwater, we can write a sonnet, paint a painting, compose an opera. But you know something? We're barely out of the jungle on this planet. Barely out of the fucking jungle. What we are, is semi-civilized beasts, with baseball caps and automatic weapons. Wise man. Also, I agree on the randomness of the title. Sorry for preaching.[/quote]Gotta love how humanity has evolved. At one point, it was necessary to maintain a sense of tribalistic conformity (AKA: systematically alienating of all those who look/act even SLIGHTLY outside of the status-quo) in order to survive, these days, that has passed. Seriously, we should have cut that shit out back in the Neolithic period. As George Carlin put it; we're still operating out of the lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. We like to think we've evolved and advanced because we can build a computer, fly an airplane, travel underwater, we can write a sonnet, paint a painting, compose an opera. But you know something? We're barely out of the jungle on this planet. Barely out of the fucking jungle. What we are, is semi-civilized beasts, with baseball caps and automatic weapons. Wise man. Also, I agree on the randomness of the title. Sorry for preaching.[/quote]
That's probably one of the best ways I've ever heard that phrased. I like to think that, when it comes to individuals, there's some measure of civility; but as for humanity on the whole, we certainly are "barely out of the jungle."[/quote][/spoiler] Indeed, the brutality of the group seems to have a nullifying factor on any feigned pleasantries.[/quote]

You probably cannot imagine how much I envy you for being so fluent in English, you can convey your mind very clearly and you have a very rich vocabulary, while when I write I'm cracking my head to be atleast understood. And yeah, I'm quite fluent in English, compared with all lithuanians. I feel dumb.

*takes out his notebook and writes down some nice expressions used in Solipsistic-MeatBag's posts*

Well, at least we won't get much hate out of the name...
But who knows, people might take "Missing Stars" in a bad way. People are sensitive nowadays.

How could someone possibly take "Missing Stars" in a bad way. Sure, overreact to many things nowadays, but missing stars? Having problems with that would be a whole new level of being chronically offended .

I can already imagine something like "Eeeeew, by naming this eroge 'Missing Stars' they probably had in their minds that the girls in their eroge are missing some screws in their heads. What a gross name!" when MS will be more known.

You know, it will receive the same crap 'Katawa Shoujo' did.

[Exbo]

Well, at least we won't get much hate out of the name...
But who knows, people might take "Missing Stars" in a bad way. People are sensitive nowadays.

How could someone possibly take "Missing Stars" in a bad way. Sure, overreact to many things nowadays, but missing stars? Having problems with that would be a whole new level of being chronically offended .

I can already imagine something like "Eeeeew, by naming this eroge 'Missing Stars' they probably had in their minds that the girls in their ergoe are missing some screws in their heads. What a gross name!" when MS will be more known.

You know, it will receive the same crap 'Katawa Shoujo' did.

You took the words out of my mouth. XD

[Waytfm]

I think everybody understood that from the get-go though.