To the Naysayers...

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MDV wrote: True. /a/ is one of the better boards though. The real shitholes are /mlp/, /b/ and /soc/, and they don't seem to have found out about MS yet.
/a/ is usually a pretty civil board when it isn't invaded by /b/, /v/, and normals
(this is coming from another fellow /a/non who usually stays/ lurks in /a/)
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If you can take the heat (and it's usually a veritable inferno), the guys from /tg/ are by far the most knowledgeable and well-educated on 4chan, at least from my experience.
And believe it or not, I really do think that the guys from /d/ are the nicest and most civil. Helpful, polite, the whole thing. It's really quite amazing.

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I dunno. /b/ can also be pretty civil, provided the right anons are lurking. Never bothered with the other boreds; they didn't appear to be quite as entertaining, and so I assumed that they would leave me board.

As an aside (or getting back on topic?), I've always found it fascinating the way many humans will react with disgust or outrage toward any semblance of cannibalism. There is absolutely no logical reason for such reactions (in fact, there are many logical reasons against them), yet they will nevertheless proceed to regard those who question their unfounded beliefs as "stupid" or "illogical."

Not that such ethnocentrism is unusual or surprising, of course. I just wonder how they arrive to that belief, in the first place: that eating another human the way one would eat a salmon or duck is fundamentally, inherently wrong. Cannibalism isn't something most people even discuss; thus, how is this particular cultural belief transmitted so prolifically?
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Malkav wrote:I dunno. /b/ can also be pretty civil, provided the right anons are lurking. Never bothered with the other boreds; they didn't appear to be quite as entertaining, and so I assumed that they would leave me board.

As an aside (or getting back on topic?), I've always found it fascinating the way many humans will react with disgust or outrage toward any semblance of cannibalism. There is absolutely no logical reason for such reactions (in fact, there are many logical reasons against them), yet they will nevertheless proceed to regard those who question their unfounded beliefs as "stupid" or "illogical."

Not that such ethnocentrism is unusual or surprising, of course. I just wonder how they arrive to that belief, in the first place: that eating another human the way one would eat a salmon or duck is fundamentally, inherently wrong. Cannibalism isn't something most people even discuss; thus, how is this particular cultural belief transmitted so prolifically?
Just ask the usual helpful questions when wondering if something you want to do is good or bad:
>would you want people to do it to you?
If that doesn't give a clear answer
>would it be good if everyone did it?
And if it's still not clearly bad
>would it still be good if you don't take the consequences in mind
Since most people don't want to be cannibalised and are capable of empathy, the third question isn't even needed.
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MDV wrote:Just ask the usual helpful questions when wondering if something you want to do is good or bad:
>would you want people to do it to you?
If that doesn't give a clear answer
>would it be good if everyone did it?
And if it's still not clearly bad
>would it still be good if you don't take the consequences in mind
Since most people don't want to be cannibalised and are capable of empathy, the third question isn't even needed.
**laughs** I don't know about you, but I personally don't give a damn what happens to my corpse when I've died and gone. What does it matter, if someone figures my remains look about good enough to eat? Unless, of course, you're assuming that cannibalism intrinsically involves murder. That's a slightly different story, then.
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Malkav wrote:
MDV wrote:Just ask the usual helpful questions when wondering if something you want to do is good or bad:
>would you want people to do it to you?
If that doesn't give a clear answer
>would it be good if everyone did it?
And if it's still not clearly bad
>would it still be good if you don't take the consequences in mind
Since most people don't want to be cannibalised and are capable of empathy, the third question isn't even needed.
**laughs** I don't know about you, but I personally don't give a damn what happens to my corpse when I've died and gone. What does it matter, if someone figures my remains look about good enough to eat? Unless, of course, you're assuming that cannibalism intrinsically involves murder. That's a slightly different story, then.
You wouldn't mind if someone ate your body? Time to answer the next question then :D. This was only step 1.
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MDV wrote:
Malkav wrote:
MDV wrote:Just ask the usual helpful questions when wondering if something you want to do is good or bad:
>would you want people to do it to you?
If that doesn't give a clear answer
>would it be good if everyone did it?
And if it's still not clearly bad
>would it still be good if you don't take the consequences in mind
Since most people don't want to be cannibalised and are capable of empathy, the third question isn't even needed.
**laughs** I don't know about you, but I personally don't give a damn what happens to my corpse when I've died and gone. What does it matter, if someone figures my remains look about good enough to eat? Unless, of course, you're assuming that cannibalism intrinsically involves murder. That's a slightly different story, then.
You wouldn't mind if someone ate your body? Time to answer the next question then :D. This was only step 1.
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MDV wrote: You wouldn't mind if someone ate your body? Time to answer the next question then :D. This was only step 1.
Ah, whoops! I got side-tracked xD

But yeah; considering that most humans have easily-observable medical histories--and that cooking methods today tend to be rather safe--I can't imagine the public health really changing, were everyone to engage in cannibalism. This would also free up much of the land we currently reserve for graveyards and cemeteries for other, more practical development.

It could also result in a slight decline in demand for meats of other varieties, though to be honest, it wouldn't be that significant. The body of the average elderly man/woman doesn't have enough flesh for more than about a week's worth of meat, if one assumes that all conditions are optimal, so the other meat markets shouldn't experience that big of an economic loss.

There is also a matter of flavor: human flesh could be quite disgusting, and the only ones who would eat it would be the ones who could afford nothing better. On the other hand, it could be quite delicious. The market demand for it could have consequences as far-reaching as "human poaching" for black market sales. Not that we don't already have markets for illegal killing, but it still would be yet another problem to complicate the situation.

Furthermore, even if one developed nation were to suddenly adopt cannibalism, the cultural perceptions currently surrounding the act would likely result in harsh reactions from the other developed nations who did not engage in cannibalism. It's a taboo whose roots are very deeply ingrained in many people, even if its origins are something of a mystery. Such anti-cannibalistic sentiments could result in outright aggression.

From a standpoint of practicality (as far as I can see), cannibalism doesn't seem to be a bad thing. Culture, however, doesn't always operate on a basis of practicality. Thus, the consequences of cannibalism itself do not appear to be the problem. The real issue, it would seem, is the consequences of introducing cannibalism into a strongly anti-cannibalistic culture. As a sociology/anthropology enthusiast, I find this all very intriguing ;)
Worthington wrote:Awh, look Malkav. He likes you.
Really? o.o Usually, people run screaming or try to have me locked up after hearing me say even half of this much. So, I guess you must be at least half right, perhaps? Hehehe!
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Malkav wrote: There is also a matter of flavor: human flesh could be quite disgusting
Apparently we taste like Pork....

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Really? o.o Usually, people run screaming or try to have me locked up after hearing me say even half of this much. So, I guess you must be at least half right, perhaps? Hehehe!
I frequent /new/, ideas don't easily scare me ;).
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AAAAAAAAAAAND as interesting as this is, I request you guys get back on topic a little. Or start a new thread about cultural perceptions of cannibalism.
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Zarich wrote:
Malkav wrote: There is also a matter of flavor: human flesh could be quite disgusting
Apparently we taste like Pork....

Source: Armin Meiwes, German Cannibal
I heard of that. One time, I said that humans tasted like spam. Due to the subject matter, I then said, "So therefore, human vagina must also taste like spam."

One of my friends was hilariously traumatized and complains that he'll never get that thought out of his head. He still has that trauma to this day.:lol:

Back on topic... Haters gotta troll.

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Worthington wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAND as interesting as this is, I request you guys get back on topic a little. Or start a new thread about cultural perceptions of cannibalism.
Of course~! My apologies.

I think many people have jumped the gun and assumed several negative things about this project, yes. Particularly in this case, since mental illness has classically been more of a taboo than physical disability.

But as many people have argued in the Katawa Shoujo forums, people who White Knight over every little thing can end up insulting the disabled more than the "vile, vulgar thing" they're trying to "protect" the disabled from. Despite the occasional desire to be different or unique, most people just want to be treated like everyone else. They want to live normal lives. Nothing more, nothing less. And White Knights often end up pointing out just how not normal their lives often are. It's a shame that the griefers who focus on the "tastelessness" of things like MS and KS don't see this.
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