Mental Disorders that Would Work in Mentaru Shoujo

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Waytfm wrote:We could get to the end and find out one of the main characters was dead all along Image
THE main character was dead. The whole game is his memories flashing before he dies in a car wreck, right next to his lover(whoever he got with during the game).

Dead is a disorder. Both physically and mentally.

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myshoesarebrown wrote:
Waytfm wrote:We could get to the end and find out one of the main characters was dead all along Image
THE main character was dead. The whole game is his memories flashing before he dies in a car wreck, right next to his lover(whoever he got with during the game).

Dead is a disorder. Both physically and mentally.
Holy shit! Do you know how epic that would be??? :shock: :shock: :shock:
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You guys do know that schizophrenics don't have visual hallucinations (open eye ones, anyway)?
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Worthington wrote:You guys do know that schizophrenics don't have visual hallucinations (open eye ones, anyway)?
Apparently not.
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Worthington wrote:You guys do know that schizophrenics don't have visual hallucinations (open eye ones, anyway)?
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on this question for me, please? I only ask as suffer from schizophrenia and have experienced what I, and those caring for me, would describe as visual hallucinations.
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HeDanny wrote:
Worthington wrote:You guys do know that schizophrenics don't have visual hallucinations (open eye ones, anyway)?
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on this question for me, please? I only ask as suffer from schizophrenia and have experienced what I, and those caring for me, would describe as visual hallucinations.
That you have schizophrenia does not necessarily mean that you can't have anything else that the docs or shrinks did not notice. That's what happened to me.
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While that certainly could not be ruled out, I'd certainly hope that after so many years someone would have noticed something. :)

So you suffer as well? And they found something else? That's messed up! How long did it take if you don't mind my asking? Of course feel free to tell me it is none of my business, because clearly it is not. I also apologise if asking the question is inappropriate. I mean no disrespect, I am simply curious.

I appreciate this response, however it did not really answer the question I was trying to ask. That may be my bad. I'll try again as I may not have been clear. Why do you believe that People who suffer from schizophrenia do not experience Visual Hallucinations?

I would also not mind rearing a response from Worthington on this matter as well. If you could chip in it would be appreciated.

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HeDanny wrote:
Worthington wrote:You guys do know that schizophrenics don't have visual hallucinations (open eye ones, anyway)?
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on this question for me, please? I only ask as suffer from schizophrenia and have experienced what I, and those caring for me, would describe as visual hallucinations.
M'bad, I meant to reply but it slipped my mind. In reference to paranoid schizophrenia, the disorder does not cause visual hallucinations. Delusions can make you think things are there, but they're not real hallucinations. I don't know about other types of schizophrenia, but this is just what my shrink has told me. Mostly it's audial hallucinations, for paranoid schizophrenics at least (A Beautiful Mind was inaccurate in it's portrayal).
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Worthington wrote:
HeDanny wrote:
Worthington wrote:You guys do know that schizophrenics don't have visual hallucinations (open eye ones, anyway)?
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on this question for me, please? I only ask as suffer from schizophrenia and have experienced what I, and those caring for me, would describe as visual hallucinations.
M'bad, I meant to reply but it slipped my mind. In reference to paranoid schizophrenia, the disorder does not cause visual hallucinations. Delusions can make you think things are there, but they're not real hallucinations. I don't know about other types of schizophrenia, but this is just what my shrink has told me. Mostly it's audial hallucinations, for paranoid schizophrenics at least (A Beautiful Mind was inaccurate in it's portrayal).
There are many types of schizophrenia. Although admittedly most visual hallucinations are a lot less intricate than this. More like "HOLY FUCK IS THAT A BLACK DOG LOOKING AT- never mind, it's gone now."

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HeDanny wrote:While that certainly could not be ruled out, I'd certainly hope that after so many years someone would have noticed something. :)

So you suffer as well? And they found something else? That's messed up! How long did it take if you don't mind my asking? Of course feel free to tell me it is none of my business, because clearly it is not. I also apologise if asking the question is inappropriate. I mean no disrespect, I am simply curious.

I appreciate this response, however it did not really answer the question I was trying to ask. That may be my bad. I'll try again as I may not have been clear. Why do you believe that People who suffer from schizophrenia do not experience Visual Hallucinations?

I would also not mind rearing a response from Worthington on this matter as well. If you could chip in it would be appreciated.
They have not noticed it, but I know it because I checked it up, I just wonder how they could possibly mistake ADHD and Schizoid Personality Disorder.

It's been more than 10 years since I was diagnosed with ADHD.
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No offense or anything, and it's not like I don't trust your judgement on the matter: you naturally know way more than I do- but in general, I wouldn't recommend dismissing the opinions of professionals on such subjects, especially not to substitute them with self-diagnosis. Those people usually know what they're doing...

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Gloom wrote:No offense or anything, and it's not like I don't trust your judgement on the matter: you naturally know way more than I do- but in general, I wouldn't recommend dismissing the opinions of professionals on such subjects, especially not to substitute them with self-diagnosis. Those people usually know what they're doing...
I know that, but look them up, those two diagnosises are as different as fire and water, just check it.
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I just did a quick check, and note this information comes from the internet so it must be true. Some of you may be interested in what I found.
U.S. National Library of Medicine wrote: [Schizoid Personality disorder] may be related to schizophrenia and it shares many of the same risk factors.

However, schizoid personality disorder is not as disabling as schizophrenia. It does not cause hallucinations, delusions, or the complete disconnection from reality that occurs in untreated (or treatment-resistant) schizophrenia.
So there you have it. No Hallucinations for Schizoid Personality Disorder.
However...
U.S. National Library of Medicine wrote:Schizophrenia symptoms usually develop slowly over months or years. Sometimes you may have many symptoms, and at other times you may only have a few.

People with any type of schizophrenia may have difficulty keeping friends and working. They may also have problems with anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts or behaviors.

At first, you may have the following symptoms:

Irritable or tense feeling

Difficulty sleeping

Difficulty concentrating

As the illness continues, problems with thinking, emotions and behavior develop, including:

Lack of emotion (flat affect)

Strongly held beliefs that are not based in reality (delusions)

**Hearing or seeing things that are not there (hallucinations)**

Problems paying attention

Thoughts "jump" between unrelated topics ( “loose associations”)

Bizarre behaviors

Social isolation

Symptoms can vary, depending on the type of schizophrenia you have.

Paranoid schizophrenia symptoms may include:

Anxious

Angry or argumentative

False believes that others are trying to harm you or your loved ones.

Disorganized schizophrenia symptoms may include:

Problems with thinking and expressing ideas clearly

Childlike behavior

Showing little emotion

Catatonic schizophrenia symptoms may include:

Lack of activity

Muscles and posture may be rigid

Grimaces or other odd expressions on the face

Does not respond much to other people

Undifferentiated schizophrenia symptoms may include symptoms of more than one other type of schizophrenia.

People with residual schizophrenia have some symptoms, but not as many as those who are in a full-blown episode of schizophrenia.
Emphasis added by me in an attempt to make it a little easier to read, as I personally find it a little unclear. I think its suggesting that all types of schizophrenia cause the first things on the list, but then goes on to list additional symptoms that are more specific to the different types.

Pretty sure I've never been suicidal. That one .. surprised me a bit when I saw it.

A reminder that all comes from a twenty second Google search, so Take it as you will. I can however say that From personal experience it reads pretty much spot on. Well, everything except the Suicide bit.

They also have entries for Attention‐deficit/hyperactivity disorder, but as I am quite unfamiliar with this I did not know what would be relevant to post.

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I really feel like Heterophobia (the fear of the opposite sex) could work very well given the situation. Both the girl that is affected by the condition and the MC would have to overcome it as an obstacle.

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I'm not sure "overcoming" should be the goal here. These conditions would be part of the characters, a part of their personalities. I don't think we should send a message that a mental condition is something that you beat. It should be something you accept. You shouldn't get to the end of the VN and the girl be "cured" by the main character.
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Maybe "overcome" wasn't the correct word. I didn't mean for it to be something the girl needs to beat, but rather as something that the MC and her would need to take into account when trying to start a relationship. It would be a rather difficult situation, and would also test if their relationship was as stable as they thought it was.

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Yeah, that sounds about right
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I think this game needs a gentle, sweet, shy girl.

With Tourette's.

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Dirk wrote:I think this game needs a gentle, sweet, shy girl.

With Tourette's.
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