Consent issues?

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nevernotbroken wrote: My understanding right now is that you found certain disabilities and ruled them out based on whether there'd be a consent issue with someone with that disability? so what I wanted to know is if there were disabilities that were ruled out entirely because of that? if so which ones, and why?
What?

In Katawa Shoujo every disability the characters had, people have in real life. So just because people have certain physical or mental disabilities, why rule them out of a game just because someone who has that same disability has an issue with it.

Like Worthington said, somebody somewhere, regardless of how well executed this game turns out, is going to not consent to this game. Just because that is the case doesn't mean it shouldn't be made or pursued. Just Saiyan. :|

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The most important thing with a visual novel is that the audience are able to make a connection with the character and the target girl. This is our prime directive and which is why we select the disabilities mainly based on this criteria. The target girls were also selected after being polled from NO LESS than 27 character candidates.

Other infos will be released as we go public later.
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Joel Dawson wrote:In Katawa Shoujo every disability the characters had, people have in real life. So just because people have certain physical or mental disabilities, why rule them out of a game
This here is exactly what I'm getting at -- personally, I'm Borderline and I'm really really *really* hoping that someone with BPD it into the game precisely *because* people try to say that we're unlovable and we're all violent, abusive, manipulators. We're not, but the lack of borderline representation in media that portrays us fairly is extremely lacking.

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What I find somewhat ridiculous is that if issues like this were challenged in film or in a book, even if for example there was a scene of intentional non-consensual sex or rape, those media would not be berated for it. They may even be lauded for portraying something so dark, possibly twisted, and challenging to think about. If done well, a project like this can push the envelope for both the medium, and for society's views on the mentally disabled; the way I see it, that can only be a good thing.
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imperial.standard wrote:The most important thing with a visual novel is that the audience are able to make a connection with the character and the target girl. This is our prime directive and which is why we select the disabilities mainly based on this criteria. The target girls were also selected after being polled from NO LESS than 27 character candidates.

Other infos will be released as we go public later.
And now I am intrigued as for all of the concepts you dumped- those are usually almost as interesting as the ones who are eventually let into the finished game. Any hints?

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Gloom wrote: Any hints?
Nope, just to keep you on the edge ;)
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Characters with sexual content are all capable of giving consent. They're of sound enough mind to make that judgement.
This is a sensitive issue and its being handled as delicately as possible.
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imperial.standard wrote:No, it's NOT a 'tard porn. We are far better from that. Be prepared to be surprised.
The last time I heard this it turned out to be code for "We aren't good at writing sex scenes."

It's kind of expected with a tasteless premise that you're going to subvert that expectation and produce something that keeps us reading, usually because the writing is good and/or the characters are interesting. To those of us familiar with KB's smut, I do expect smut.

In b4 "oh no this is where I go legit, guise."

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Dirk wrote:
imperial.standard wrote:No, it's NOT a 'tard porn. We are far better from that. Be prepared to be surprised.
The last time I heard this it turned out to be code for "We aren't good at writing sex scenes."

It's kind of expected with a tasteless premise that you're going to subvert that expectation and produce something that keeps us reading, usually because the writing is good and/or the characters are interesting. To those of us familiar with KB's smut, I do expect smut.

In b4 "oh no this is where I go legit, guise."
Read up on Kosherbacon's fanwork. He seemed pretty good at writing sex scenes to me, though I'm no writer of course.
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From what I've read, Kosher is just as good at writing non smutty work as he is at smutty. As for the consent issue, I think I'll wait and see what the medical disorders are before I start to question anything, as I haven't had too much experience with mental disabilities in the past. Not enough to actively comment about it anyway.

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